Questions to ask are
- Can you do complex installs yourself?
- How much do you want to spend?
- Will you continue to upgrade your car in the future?
- Do you have a factory warranty?
For every person with a Series II 3800 the SC pulley swap should be the first thing considered. It offers the largest HP/dollar value of any mod. You will need a special tool to do the install which can be bought or rented. Install time is about 1 hour. If this is the only mod you plan on doing then the 3.5″ pulley should be used. The stock belt can usually be used but we recommend the 4060658 belt or our oversized tensioner pulley. The 3.5″ pulley swap will give you ~20 additional HP. 2004+ Grand Prix (Series III) supercharged cars will require colder Tstat, colder spark plugs, cold air intake, TB spacer, and bolt in ZZP downpipe and that will just allow you to run a 3.6″ pulley.
Series II – If you plan on doing other modifications as well then the 3.4″ pulley is a better choice. It requires a smaller belt or an oversized tensioner pulley. The 3.4 will give ~25 additional HP. Supporting mods that are required include colder Tstat, stage 1 throttle body, colder spark plugs, cold air intake, TB spacer, we recommend at minimum installing the Ubend delete, but the best exhaust mod is our downpipe. For additional exhaust flow, you could look into our stainless Powerlog.
Available octane plays a part as well. If you live in a state with only 91 octane available you will need to do additional mods to run a 3.4″ pulley without KR. You might want to consider the 3.5. If you live in Indiana or parts of the country with 94 or 95 octane available, it will be very easy to run the 3.4 pulley w/o KR. Keep in mind that a larger pulley with no KR will make more HP than a smaller with less timing (more KR).
If you plan on continuing to mod your 3800 in the future you should buy our modular pulley system. The assembly is lighter than a press on but more importantly, it will make future pulley swaps easy without needing to use the puller tool again. Then as you mod your car, you can buy smaller pulleys. This will allow you to run one size pulley for the street and one for the track or when using race gas.
After or along with the pulley you should run a colder Thermostat and colder spark plugs. The 160 is the best choice but doesn’t work very well in winter operation. You can switch back to stock for winter use or buy the 180 and use it year round (99+ cars should use a 180* thermostat to prevent CELs, unless running our ZZP 1.0 pcm).
For a colder spark plug we recommend the NGK TR6 or TR6ix. These plugs will help to lower KR. New plugs will also increase the performance and gas mileage of a car with used plugs. Many people run TR55′s but we have found no ill effects of running TR6′s and they work better for getting rid of KR.
If you have a 97 or 98 then a CAI is a very good choice as your next mod. If you have a 99 or newer your air-box is a little better and you can postpone doing a cold air intake if you install a drop in K&N filter. The ZZP 3800 cold air intake will give excellent gains and help reduce the KR that you will most likely be getting from running the smaller pulley.
Exhaust should be considered at this point. The bolt in downpipe should be your first part of the exhaust to upgrade followed by removing the resonator. After that you can replace your front exhaust manifold with our Powerlog and next would be a ported rear manifold. The factory mufflers are not restrictive and should be changed based on looks/weight/sound before all else. Once you’re making over 300WHP then we can talk about the performance aspect of a cat-back exhaust. The U-bend and/or resonator should cost $50-100 to be replaced by a local exhaust shop. You’ll want to pick up an O2 simulator if you are planning on eliminating your rear O2 sensor. And yes, this stuff is all emissions legal as you are not messing with the operation of the cat. Exhaust work is an excellent way to get rid of KR when running smaller pulleys.
Easy mods from here include a water pump under-drive pulley, and a throttle body spacer. The Spacer will help get rid of KR, the WP UD pulley will free up a few top end HP. Both are inexpensive ways to continue the pursuit of more HP.
The ZZP PCM is an excellent mod a this point. It will help lower KR, and make driving the car a much more pleasurable experience. It increases HP, changes shift points as well as fueling, makes the car shift harder under Perf shift mode, takes away your top speed limiter, raises your rev limiter and has a few other tweaks. It will lower your gas mileage slightly and increase the chance of tranny failure (due to firmer shifts) but at your HP level now you shouldn’t have to worry about the transmission yet.
At some point above you are going to want to consider Poly Motor Mounts and a shift kit. The shift kit in combination with the PCM can break hard parts in the transmission so that is something to be aware of especially if you have heavier rims/tires/brake rotors than stock.
You are now done with the easy stuff that most people do. From here you need to decide how far you’re going to take your car. This will help you make the decision between high ratio rockers and an after-market camshaft. If you plan on being faster than mid 13′s or make more than 280 crank HP you’re going to need to do one of 3 mods. Rockers, intercooler, or Cam. Rockers add ~25HP, increase gas mileage, do not change reliability of the car, cannot be seen by the dealer, are relatively easy to install yourself and will support low 13′s without an intercooler. They help the engine flow better, lowering KR and allowing a drop in pulley size by about .1.
Combined with an intercooler many users have taken a 3800 with stock camshaft, rockers and an intercooler deep into the 12′s with close to 300WHP. Bang for the buck rockers are an awesome mod.
I have a 98 Grand Prix GTP with about 178,000 miles on it. I was wondering is it worth adding mods to a engine with that many miles, and if so where should I start with the mods? Or is it better for me to just get another engine, and start from there?
Most motors that age are worn out. However, if it’s had synthetic oil it’s entire life, it will be fine for upgrading.
Level 1 performance stuff is a 3.4″ pulley with smaller belt, colder plugs, colder Tstat, Wizair box, ZZP 1.0 PCM and Ubend delete in the exhaust. This will drop you to about 14.0 in the 1/4 depending on traction (13.8-14.3). It will bring you from 240HP to ~285HP and make a large seat of the pants difference. No transmission upgrades are needed, reliability and gas mileage are not affected. To maximize the level 1 stuff, you can add a stage 1 throttle body, water pump underdrive pulley, power log, or throttle body spacer. This would add another 10HP or so and give more consistent performance. The stage 1 throttle body improves throttle response so the ‘feel’ of the car is changed. The downpipe does the cat and Ubend as well so you could scratch that from the earlier list. These modifications do not change gas mileage. 93 octane is recommended and 91 minimum is required. You don’t need any additional coolers or other parts than listed above.
But it hasn’t had synthetic oil all its life. I guess my thing is should I have it rebuilt or just get another engine just like it put in and mod that one out. I’m trying to figure out the best option and lease expensive one also. I don’t want to start modding my engine that has 176,00 miles on it and then engine itself really cant withstand the new modifications. Like I love ZZP long block engine although its a little pricey, I just need to be pointed in the right direction, so I know what I need to do and where to start.
I noticed beside the log there was no mention of headers why not? How does the throttle body increase power?
Thanks
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